Nudity

Boobs, while lovely to look at, don't make a movie. Sure, they will help sales with horny guys and kids too young to buy real porn, but they aren't needed. That being said, most of my favorite horror movies do include atleast one breast shot.

As for being degrading, I don't really think it is if they are ok with it, and it atleast makes a little bit of sense in the movie.

I never thought of it as degrading.. Its almost humorous at times.
Unfortunately, most low budget indie horror is convinced (at least by the distributors) that they have to have nudity in order to sell a flick (see TROMA in the dictionary)

I personally have no problem with it, but I have a feeling that some women are really offended by it.

Being brought up on Troma flicks, I see what you're talkin' about. And yes, alot of women do see it as offensive.

As myself a woman and an actress I realize that I will have to do things in order to be true to a the script and story. I wouldn't mind doing it as long its within taste and its warranted I'm fine with nudity if its along those lines. But I myself will not be naked in a horror flick if the movie I'm doing has it in there just to have it. I would really like to stay away from being naked in horror. Because my god that has been done to death and I personally find it offensive if it just has nothing to do with the story. I realize that in this business you have to because guys just have to have sex and nudity with their violence which is quite sad to think that is going to sustain the viewers since most of them are male. As much as I love horror I will not be naked just for male gratification. I've worked to hard and too long and I'm not going to follow "the boys rules" because will there ever be any change if we still follow their rules? No there won't be things will still be the same and women will still be seen just as sex objects. I find it offensive and if I was in a movie that demanded that I do that I will simply walk away. I don't care if I have stakes riding on that there are just things I won't do. I'm going to have that written in my contract whenever I do movies. Plus half the time they continue to exploit those images from those movies you were in (happen to Alyssa Molano when she did that vampire movie) and sometimes you never get any compensation for that. People are set out to use you and I'm not going to allow myself to be one of those people.

I'm going to try to stay away from that as much as possible people I'm working with are really going to have to convince me that its going to be important that I be naked for this scene. But as I said I'm seriously going to stick to my vaules on this and simply say no if its not needed.

I'm not bothered by nudity in a film, say, when just watching the film. I love horror, so I guess I just don't really notice it as much, or at least don't care because it is what it is.

As for the "demeaning" part. I think most women think that as long as they themselves are okay with it, it's not demeaning, and I agree with that to an extent. It's nice to feel empowered...but feeling empowered and being empowered are two very different things. The woman being okay with it doesn't change the way in which it's used. It's used to sell the movie, it's used to titilate men, who aren't exactly looking at these actresses and saying "Hey, nice rack, I have a lot of respect for her." It's not like these guys are thinking "Well, she seems to be okay with it, so somehow I am viewing this naked form differently, with dignity, and am not aroused in any way." In that sense, I do think it's demeaning. But it is that way it is.

I prefer my nudity to be integral to the story, plot-oriented, and reality based. I wouldn't dream of investigating the strange sound I heard coming from the attic with just a towel on, even if I did just get out of the shower. I'd dress quickly and then go see what's up. Or, more likely, I'd dress quickly, leave and call the cops.

I accept that it's there and I'm usually pretty good-natured about it, but I'd much rather there be decent roles for women that don't require this particular talent. I do believe it's one of the reasons women, for the most part, aren't taken as seriously in the genre. If they're so useful naked, in front of a camera, why bothering letting them behind the camera?

In my younger days, being in art school for scpecial effects, I was in my fair share of crappy little horror shorts, but not once did I appear naked. However, at the same time, I was a nude model for an artist. It's just the way I look at it, I guess.

you know what offends me? the fact that it's okay to rip womens' heads off and throw their guts around but once she's shown naked or having sex, somehow it's a point of controversy.

"you can be violent towards me any way you like, but i don't do nudity."

something's really wrong with that. i am far more disturbed by images of violence towards women than i am seeing their boobies.

Me personally.... I've always been the kind of person who would roll eyes on the gratitous sex scenes, and nakeidness... Especially when i was a kid, i would get embarassed by stuff like this because my mom would scold me and think i was into the stuff, when all i really wanted to do was see the movie, not the sex or the neekid bodies in it. I don't find it degrading, i just don't like it in my movies. But what are you going to do *shrugs* :oops:

Now as an.. um.. actress? lol and filmmaker, i've crossed the paths of many people who want it in there because they either feel it has to be in order to sell, or they want to see it themselves. When i started writing, i promised myself that since this was my own little fantasy world that i'm creating, leads don't have to be white, hereos don't have to be men ect, ect. For those reasons, (the only exeption being Moment, which was a miresable effort, because it was for someone else's use) i won't put in a full on nude scene, and sex here there and everywhere because it "sells". As another rule, i'll never ask an actor/actress to do anything that i wouldn't do... Which means full on nudity. Our shower scene in Moment isn't want i had planned. The actress was a bit nervous, i was a bit nervous, so i didn't pressure her to shoot anything "extra" that we may not have discussed. I did want to show more, but not the expected parts.

On another note... While working on Moment, my fired Director was a little more obsessed with the little things that had nothing to do with the actual film simply for his own amusment, so i'm not really too comfortable with nudity or sex scenes unless it's truly detrimental (and to me nudity is never detrimental to a story line.) and or proves some kind of point. But that's just my 10 cents.

Yeah, but look at it from an actor's point of view. You might not mind getting fake punched in a movie, but, Andrew, are you going to do any full frontal nudity any time soon? It's tougher than having fake blood thrown on you.

I don't care about nudity one way or the other. Sometimes it works, sometimes it sucks. Depends on the flick. I don't even mind the totally gratuitout nudity if it works. I watched Return of the Living Dead the other night with some buds who hadn't seen it, and they all laughed at what must be the most gratuitous nudity ever. But it was fun and memorable so I like it.

What I do find interesting is when people say something like "It's a horror movie so I expect it," when if you made a list of all of the greatest horror movies, few of them have nudity. Even crap like the first Friday the 13th didn't have any, as I recall.

Well I agree with that too as well I'm not into ultraviolent deaths either there are movies I've seen a women killed so grizzly that it was repulsive. If I were to die in a a horror movie I would at least like to die fighting. I mean the perfect death for me would at least be going out like Vasquez did in "Aliens" she was just such a kickass Hispanic female character and as a kid I thought she was so cool to hold her own with all those men. I mean you could of easily picture her being alive in the end but she choose to stay behind and help keep the Aliens back from Ripley and Newt. If it weren't for being hurt and not having ammo left she could of made it. But she went out in style taking those bastards with her so if I were to die in a horror movie I would at least would like to die in that fashion.

I'm going to paste this from another post of mine if I were to do a movie like “Psycho” Norman Bates was a sexually, perplexed, confused, man who was a peeping tom and watched his victim and killed them out of arousal and passion. Don’t know if that’s an accurate depiction but that was the best I can come up with. Anyways the way Hitchcock filmed it was wonderful, he doesn’t show any particular parts of the body that men liked just her taking a shower like any other woman would do. Than you can see her terror as she see this lady come out of nowhere and start stabbing her. Plus in his other movie “Frenzy” which is another movie favorite of mine you have another sexually obsessed and violent man killing women and you see their bodies as he is doing it and afterwards which was vital to the story. You can picture the sickness of his mind and the images. As Hitchcock said he never believed in using nudity out for the sake of using it was in “bad taste and vulgar”. Another example in the original “Dawn Of The Dead” after Fran and Flyboy have made love or assumed so that they have because they are kind of naked and you sort of see Fran's breasts. You see the blank expressions on their face as they sit there contemplating their situation and how they are starting to feel dead inside as the world is around them.

Those would be plot lines that I wouldn't mind posing nude in, but I wouldn't do it for a crappy little horror movie that just wants to show tits. It would really have to be choice material.

I think the key to this is the possibility that there are two different topics here. One being the objectification of women, and the other being how screwed up we are as a society in what we find to be acceptable and not acceptable.

There's such a huge difference between having some fake blood and latex slapped all over you, and being really naked, for real. Also, the perception is very different between violence and nudity. Men can be grossed out by gore, but get off on nudity. It's all in how it relates to the woman.

I don't think it's so much a question of quality as it is volume.

I think it's a case by case, person by person decision.
It is one of the stereotypes that women have to face in film in general and I think the fact that there are few if any alternatives is the biggest problem.

i think i got off on a tangent...i was just extremely bothered by the whole janet jackson tit thing. you'd have thought someone was shot live on tv or something, but no, it was just partial boobie.

i think people are more freaked out by sex thn they are violence.

The horror genre is known for its extreme nudity and violence! Fortunately I have recieved tution from a well known witer who wishes to remain in the shadows but this writer ordered me to go off and learn the history of and theory pertaining to my genre.

Sex and violence are linked in our genre and in my opinion the two shall never separate. Sex and violence are the staples in the original horror medium - literature - if you study the old gothic stuff it concerns itself greatly with repressed sexuality and what that eventally causes.

As a writer and I've said it before in this forum we must use appropriate nudity when and only when it deals dirrectly with the plot and/or character development but as a screenwriter and and student of horror film theory and women I will never drop the two from my pieces for I respect the fact that they are a central component to a successfull scary story.

I am blessed with having a great friendship with a theater actress and her associates and I've come to learn that nudity is held in a totally different regard by theater actors than film actors - nudity isin't usually a large issue with theater actors which is for me a paradox but has lead to some very funny jokes about hesitant film actors.

Anyways I'm rambling with irrelevant shit - to get back on track I'll use Stephen King as the mentor in which to conclude with when asked about the sex and violence in his novels he said - people need to use their intelligence - read the jacket and make a decision - if you think it may offend you place the book down and move aong but if it does offend you even before you read it and then you go ahead and read it your intelligence may be questionable and you forfeit any right to critise my work.

That's how I think people should also approach this topic - if you don't like it fine and no one should have any worries with your opinion but move on.

That's how I am about this sort of thing, I'd say, about 98% of the time. Then, I reach a saturation point, and I get annoyed. I like to think I can get through life not making a big deal about stuff like this and getting by with what I get, and that's fine. And then, sometimes, I think how swell would it be to live in a world where this doesn't have to be an issue, and women are treated equally, and there really is more to us than just a pair of tits in this genre.

So, I guess there are two camps in this, and they are two camps that I flip flop back and forth between (lately I'm in the pissed woman camp, due to recent events on my own board.) One camp being happy and content to let everyone do whatever they want and that's just fine by me. The other camp is being fed up of being treated a certain way and wanting desperately to make some sort of change, for me, and for other women.

All I can do is conduct myself in a respectable manner, be the genre educated woman that I am, and make an example of myself. Hopefully, if I'm lucky, guys won't ridicule me too much.

this is me. we've got nudity in our movies, but it's used as a weapon rather than for the sake of exploitation. it's used intelligently and competently, because that's what the crew and i want to see in other films as well.

What we need are more film makers who now the history of and theory of the horror genre and the debate I think in itself with become purely academic! As a screenwriter that's what I'm constantly aiming at - to learn more to write better - mind you I'll repeat you can use sex and nudity whhen its written intelligently.

P.S Its good to meet anyone interested in theory cause it'll sure provide some interesting arguments. As long as there constructive.

Example of perfect use of nudity:

The Idiots-Lars von Trier.

Hehheh...anyone get that? :roll:

Hey...I just came up with a topic...

There's something to be said for nudity that can just be fun too...that's something you don't get much of. Often it seems so rote. I recently saw Emmanuelle and was surprised by the style of it. It was just played as a good time.

Now I want to see one of Heidi's nudie movies. I used to think she was a good girl until I stumbled upon those pictures on the Troma site. Oh deary dear!

That's the thing though I'm too am a theater actress and have less reservations about it because the material I'm doing is actually important to me and I know I wouldn't be just seen as a "sex object". I would stil be wary and careful of what I choose to do though but that's just a natural reaction when doing anything risque. But my reservations would be a lot less although I would be quite nervous that people beactually there and watching me I'm bound to get over it and I usually do. I remember I preformed at Shakespeare Festival and did a series of famous monologues and one of them I was Lady Macbeth and doing her famous "Unsex me here" monologue and my director wanted me to be very sexual with it and powerful I had to touch my breasts and wear very dark costume a modern interpretation of what Lady Macbeth would wear. So I went with a s/m inspired outfit wearing a see-through black shirt with a matching camisole and black pants with typical black leather boots lol. I've always imagine Lady Macbeth very proud of her sexuality and very adventurous when it came to things like sex and gaining power through that. Plus her sex as a female wanting to be stripped of that and be filled with all the power a man has. You may all think that this is very tame, but at the time I did this I was still in high school (senior year) and was apart of a children/ young adult theatre company. I had to do this in front of parents, my mother, audience members and man was there controversy with what I was doing! One of my acting teachers was sitting right behind my mom and would watch her reactions as I was doing it to see if she would be upset. She wasn't though because she realizes that's what I love doing and she herself is an art teacher and knows its just self-expression completely knows the difference between what's tasteful and artistic and what's not. But some parents were kind of shocked by it even though I was old enough to be doing things of that nature said by my director and she was very adamant about wanting to do that monologue in that way so I did. I couldn't see anyone out there in the audience due to the lighting so I was totally at ease with what I was doing and gave it my all and got so many compliments and feedback. One guy joked around that it was G rated and than when I got out there it all of a sudden it became R lol. There was just few audience members kind of thought it was inappropriate but bah oh well too bad. Since doing that it made me less reserved when doing things like nudity and such.

I had to dress pretty scantly down to my underwear for a musical, let guys rub and touch me in a scene, did a Lesbianesque scene for a girl's monologue and wear a tight costume for the Cheshire Cat in Alice in Wonderland (which the director suggested for purposes of it being easy to make) One bible beater actor/teacher was like. " You should make your costume tasteful because this is a kid show and shouldn't wear anything tight." Apparently she thought my big breasts would be so offensive to see in a tight outfit and my traumatize children lol. The costume was tasteful it was very "Cats the musical" inspired it was a full leotard outfit so I didn't see what was the big deal. Plus I didn't have the money to buy a very elaborate costume that's all furry and what not so I went with the less expensive thing. I mean I don't think the kids are going to be like "Wow the Cheshire cat has some big jugs" I can't help it if I'm busty shit its not like I'm proud of it and its hard as well getting into some clothes because of that. She always pegged me as such a slut because I'd run around the theater changing and a lot of times it be in front of guys. I mean sometimes you have to be in the same room because there would be so many people in one room in so many dressing rooms and sometimes they couldn't all be gender specific so I was like "Fuck it I don't care I'm not naked I'm just in my underwear so I'm changing I don't care if these guys see my bra" I'm not going to be one of those girls who has to run across the stage to use the restroom so she could have privacy when she has to be on stage in 10 mins. This made me realize if I feel comfortable wearing fewer clothes in theatre hell why not be naked! lol

I'd even tried getting a job as a nude model for an art class but the guy wouldn't hire me though because I had just turn eighteen and that would just be just barely making it. Plus the college was is a private Baptist college wouldn't deem it appropriate him hiring a school a girl who is still in high school to pose nude. Damn I could of been making some mad cash too and when I did get in college I was so busy with other things I didn't have time for it. I might do it later on in the future. Anyways enough of my babbling lol, I think what it all comes down to is how you feel as an actor and more importantly as a woman and what you think is tasteful and important in whatever artistic endeavor you do.

All hail Moonbutterfly for her teriffic 'I take no shit from anyone attitutde' if the characters I write are as strong minded and forceful as you are it would be a job welldone!

Welcome on board!

I have to say one thing; before I actually took my clothes off on camera, I was really nervous about it.

After the first time I did it, I realize I feel really comfy naked, around others. Like, I feel comfortable. Whether that translates onto film, or sunbathing, or when I'm having sex, feeling comfortable naked is a great thing, and liking your body, flaws and all, is a great thing too.

I am sure there are many ways to achieve that confidence, but for me, it was appearing nude on film...

i was just telling tiffany this...

listen to debbie harry on the VIDEODROME commentary track, when she talks about doing nude scenes in the film. she said that being from the 60's free love era had a lot to do with being comfortable with her body and with being naked, and doing nude scenes was no big deal. however she said the reason it's hard to do nude scenes is because often times women do not like their bodies and are ashamed of the flaws they have. they just wanna keep covered up.

we are far away from the 60's. our standard of what is beautiful and sexy is VERY VERY narrow. no wonder there are issues with nudity...i bet you'd be more likely to be comfortable naked on camera if you thought you were gorgeous like someone in FHM magazine or whatever.

hrm... maybe i should strip down in my next film to make myself feel better, because i could certinly use a dose of Debbie Harry. Wait... that didn't sound right.

if all we see naked in movies are thin young white girls and THAT is beautiful, then yeah of course anyone who doesn't fit that description are going to feel a bit inadequate. especially with dudes all drooling over it.

if tomorrow the next big thing in hollywood, the next sex symbol or the next hot star looked JUST LIKE YOU, wouldn't that make you feel good about how you look?

be the change you want to see. if you want to see more blacks in horror films then put them in your movies . if you want to see asian women kick ass then put one in your movie and have her kick some ass.

and if you're fed up with stereotypes and bullshit then don't support it, and don't bow down and do it just because you think that's the way the business works.

What's this about casting blacks in a horror film? It wouldn't go anywhere because the entire cast wouldn't last 5 minutes.

No but joking aside... Andy, i hope that wasn't fully addressed at me. Because we've talked many a time about this, you know full well, that i don't bow to the stereotype bullshit, and i never will, especially with race. That's one of the things Terror In The Woods picks at. I'm not going to have an all white cast (nor will i have an all latino, black, Indian, Nepalese, or whatever cast) in all of my films. I will always do my best to have a good mix, because that's how the whole fucking world is, despite what many stupid ass ignorant people want to believe.

As far as my statement on the Debbie Harry, and my body. I kind of screwed my own comment... That's not how i intended it. I was referancing back to Heidi's Comment:

For some reason i threw in the "Debbie Harry thing" and just mixed it all up.

I was going to be nude for the love scene in Moment, but i kept dancing back and forth. I wasn't going to do it for the fucktard pervs watching it, but more as a challange to myself. The more i thought on it, the more i danced back and forth, and you're going to slap me for this; yes it was because i was having poor body image... Now, before i get any further i'd like to clear this little thing up. I'm not, nor have i ever been one of those "OMG I'M 105 pounds, i'm such a hefer, i have to stop eating." Fuck that, i love food. I have however always been an athelete. I've always been toned and active. so it was strange for me to adjust to seeing myself not in shape or toned. I just wasn't used to it and felt insecure.

But i did kick that thought. I stopped and thought to myself, i don't look bad. I look great. Who needs muscle cuts and all that jazz anyway. But then i came to find out that Chris was a fucking perv and changed my mind all together. Having lost all that original hype now, i don't know if i could do a nude scene... and not because of poor body image, but because i'm shy as hell believe it or not.

It is never worth doing if you're not comfortable with it,and there isn't that much to gain....

I am just a cheezeball and I love the retarded "Topless girl runs screaming through the woods" thing, that I couldn't resist being that screaming topless woman the first chance I got.

Its no biggy, and certainly sex scenes can be sexy without showing everything...

unless you're opposite a mummy!

Bloody hell Heidi finally soemone came out and said it 'Eye rollars' are fantastic - there a part of the genre which cannot be taken away and 'Topless girl' type horror are simply fun to watch - are not made to win academic or film making awards.

If you don't like it - don't perform it as an actor or watch the films that are like that.

But in relation to politcal correctness I wonder Heidi if I had beaten you to the punch what response I would have recieved!

Don't stop speaking your mind Heidi.......I think I'm falling in love with cheezeballs!

Punch? Did Heidi give a punch? I thought she was just conversing as the rest of us were.

And i get what you say Heidi. In my case, i'd have something to gain, doing it at least once, when i'm comfortable. Kind of like sky diving to get over a fear of heights. Andy and i had a brilliant converstaion last night, which helped me a great deal with my article. So my perspectives have changed quite a bit.

So, I take it you like your butt better now?

Pardon my goofiness.
Seriously, well said Heidi.

I think that there is a difference between exploitation and horror. I love both equally, but I don't think that horror and nudity necessarily go hand in hand. It's great in certain films, cuz it's a fun element that was, at one point, taboo. But now that it's become the norm, it can get really boring (not to mention that looking at augmented women is not nearly as fun).

Having said that, I've recently become friends with Kenneth Hall who made a movie called Halfway House. I think almost every actress has a nude scene. But it's done correctly. It's there but it's not the focal point. He was trying to capture a bit of the grindhouse days and never pushes the envelope too far. It's totally fun and I think it's a nice addition to the movie.

I also thought Tiffany Shepis' nude scene in the Hazing was fun too. Seeing as how Perry Shen's character was so akward with the ladies, it ended up being a nice touch to a really good movie.

On the other hand, so many lazy filmmakers put in the nudity to either a) fulfill their own fantasies which were created from years of not being able to score with a woman, or b) because they have no idea how to construct a strong story without using the most simplistic elements to sell tickets.

Heidi told me about a scene she has in a movie where she defeats the killer in the nude. Based on her description, it sounds totally fun and hopefully that's how the audience will perceive it. And I think that was exactly what I wanted to say. Keep it fun and not too gratutitous and the audience will absolutely enjoy it.

Now for sterotypes, I live in LA and I'm surrounded by so many beautiful women that you couldn't throw a stick without hitting one. Yes, it is detrimental to good self-esteem (which I never had anyway!) but at the same time, I have so many gorgeous friends (Heidi included) that it breaks down the stereotype that gorgeous women are bimbos or bitches.

As for me, if someone were stupid enough to put me in a movie, I would not do any nudity. And the world breathes a collected sigh of relief!

As for the rest of you hot chicks - bring it on!

Amanda By Night

Nicely said and good points made.

Amanda, Tiffany's scene was awesome in The Hazing.

I think Rolfe Kanfesky has a really good way of showing sexy women in situations that are not degrading, but still really hot. I also Liked the blond chick in that flick, who seduced the dumb guy by pretending to be dumb, but in reality she just wante dto get laid... LOLOL

Bleh i've got to catch up on my movies... Sounds pretty fun.

In relation to Amanda's comment that some lazy filmakers place nudity in their films to meet their own fantasies - yes I think your right but only in relation to a majority of independant films not the mainstream - most of the films that I've seen pointless nudity or sex in would be independant films but then again some of the best have been independant stuff as well!

I think because of the nature of a debate like this there is no single answer to the riddle.

You have to remeber that film is basically the next step up from literature and if you read the old stuff explotation and sex is present right from the start - we as the next generation just have to write and perform it in new intelligent and appropraite ways.

One of my mates wrote an essay for uni about satire (I think i spelt that right) in horror film and he used 'Clud Dread' as one of his main movies - I think it was a bloody good movie with an intelligent script and basically a great overview of the use of nudity and sex in the genre and is in some respects the 'American Beauty' !

of the horror genre - I should have added!

I've had an actress here ask me "how much nudity is involved in the scene, Chris ? Don't lie ! I know there is !" (ahem) and two others offer to do so for same film and I keep saying 'none at all, but if you want to be naked, that's fine, too. I'm probably not going to put it in the film anyways.'. Why ? CUZ IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY STORY ! There's probably a billion websites I can go to see women naked on if that's what I had wanted to see, but since I'm trying to make a creepy movie, I don't want/need it. If the only thing a horror film has going for it is naked women, it's probably not that good in the first place. I linked some film site to Tiff the other night that was a bunch of pictures from the film and all it had were naked women getting killed in some form or another. Unless it's Star Jones or Rosie O'Donnell, naked women are not scary to me. It's unfortunate that it has to be considered a selling point.
CK

um.. yeah.. no comment....

I'm not mentioning anything by name and in all fairness the women weren't actually naked, but every pic (except one of many) is some woman getting dragged off, tied up, or tortured.
CK

that is unfortunate...but i have to disagree with you on one point. star jones is hot stuff. she's no pam grier but i like nonetheless.

Chris, I would do a nude scene in your flick.

But its because I am an attention whore, and no other reason.

Well, one other reason: I suck at acting, and my nudity is often a good distraction from that

No argument there

No, Heidi you don't suck at acting. If you did, I'd tell you. You don't have a lot of experience, but you put real effort into it and it shows. Trying to give a good performance does make a difference.

Then again, who is ? Pam is one of a few women who seem to get sexier to me as she gets older (like Raquel Welch).

LOL actually, the quote about "how much nudity ? Don't lie !" was from you in an e-mail when I asked you to film a scene at Twisted Nightmare Weekend. You're an extremely attractive, smart and fun lady, Heidi, but I still wouldn't ask you to for a scene (esp when I know it's not necessary). Perhaps I'll write a screenplay called 'The Adventures of Heidi in the Nude !' if you want to so badly. I think it would be more of an exploitive film, though, and I'm not really into doing that myself yet. Of course you're awfully tempting :twisted:
CK

LOLOLOLOL I remember that....

What a cool pic! I stole it

I hate name dropping myself so I wasn't going to mention you ...BUT since you already said it LOL. Nah, I strictly adore you and if I was ever going to have you naked with me, it would be for our own amusement Of course if it was on video then I'd have to share the profits (minus duplication, writers, crew, etc).
CK
PS I stole the pic myself, but will likely PhotoShop your head on it now and erase the "ebaumsworld" on the bottom of it so it's suitable for Christmas cards, invitations, or whatever you need to promo).

Wasn't that already was the alternative title of No One Around?

I understand why many women want to stand against women being exploited and view nudity as this massive exploitation and in some regards in I even agree with that. I strongly agree with Andrew's comment about how strange it is that people often view violence as more acceptable than sex, it's really insane if you think about it. Sex is a natural act, it's part of life, one of the best parts of life. By viewing nudity and sex scenes as mere grose exploitation I think we are creating this ridiculous negative view of sex, but it's okay to watch some chick get stabbed and have her head bashed in. What I am saying is that we choose to put importance on what want to think is negative when we could easily see it as a natural positive act. Some people are exhibitionists, they want to be nude and capture their nude body on film, so whats the big deal? As far as I am concerned if the actress is comfortable with what she is doing, it doesn't really matter how some guy is going to perceive it, if that's what she wants to express then so be it. As an actress you can't be worrying constantly about what people will think of you, you have to express yourself in a way that makes you happy and proud, beyond that you can only hope that people will get the same enjoyment or whatever emotion you are expressing.
There are movies where sex is used in a "natural" way which is not simply pornographic such as "kenpark". There are flat out exploitation movies where directors are trying to shock you, then theres flat out porn, either way it's just sex, women are beautiful naked and as long as they are comfortable with it, why shouldn't you be? It's okay to be aroused by the sight of a lovely lady and if you are an actress doing a nude scene, no matter how arty or tasteful, there will always be someone aroused by it so it you don't like that fact you'd better not go nude! It's not demeaning for someone to think your nude body is sexy, it's a natural response!
It's an interesting debate and I do see all sides.
It is a shame that these days people feel they need nudity to sell their movie, in that sense filmmakers need to fight back and prove that it's not needed by not putting it in just to sell your movie! Train the audience, show them that they can enjoy a horror film or whatever without nudity if that;s what your story is about. But nudity in film doesn't have to be demeaning and slutty and grose.
It's all about personal choice and attitudes towards sex.
I am on flu medication so I hope I made sense!

Couldn't tell you, Steve. I usually get the stories in advance, a basic game plan of what Phil would like done with it and am pretty much left on my own (until he starts hyperventilating about completion times LOL). Working on DVD menus today. Need to run some pics past Heidi to see which she prefers for menu screen.
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Just a comment on the amount of nudity in original script, Heidi and I actually took some out when we worked on it.
None with her butt in them is a safe bet.